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		<title>By: miranda</title>
		<link>http://loveallbeings.org/blog/earth-balance-is-not-vegan/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Elaine! You raise an interesting point: “virtually all products are not vegan”. I think that this is probably true. However, I think that there are other ways of thinking about veganism other than just avoiding animal-based products. Lately, I’ve been thinking about veganism as a process, where by being vegan is a goal I work toward each day and with each choice made. Whether I make a choice when purchasing a product, what type of transportation I use to travel somewhere, or which words I choose when speaking to my husband, each moment is a chance to be kind, thoughtful, and respectful of our world. I feel that veganism is not solely a reflection of my purchases, but more about the choices I make each day. Many people say “we have to draw the line somewhere.” But it seems to me that there doesn’t necessarily need to be a fixed place for that line, that it can move as our awareness broadens regarding how our individual words and actions contribute to the exploitation of others. Thinking about veganism in this way, I realize that veganism may be unattainable in my lifetime, and that’s okay. Each choice made, is another opportunity to get closer to my goal: a world where no beings are exploited in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Elaine! You raise an interesting point: “virtually all products are not vegan”. I think that this is probably true. However, I think that there are other ways of thinking about veganism other than just avoiding animal-based products. Lately, I’ve been thinking about veganism as a process, where by being vegan is a goal I work toward each day and with each choice made. Whether I make a choice when purchasing a product, what type of transportation I use to travel somewhere, or which words I choose when speaking to my husband, each moment is a chance to be kind, thoughtful, and respectful of our world. I feel that veganism is not solely a reflection of my purchases, but more about the choices I make each day. Many people say “we have to draw the line somewhere.” But it seems to me that there doesn’t necessarily need to be a fixed place for that line, that it can move as our awareness broadens regarding how our individual words and actions contribute to the exploitation of others. Thinking about veganism in this way, I realize that veganism may be unattainable in my lifetime, and that’s okay. Each choice made, is another opportunity to get closer to my goal: a world where no beings are exploited in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Veganism &#8211; Where Do You Draw the Line? &#171; The Voracious Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veganism &#8211; Where Do You Draw the Line? &#171; The Voracious Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are some who argue that my favorite brand of vegan margarine, Earth Balance, isn&#8217;t even vegan because in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ecochris</title>
		<link>http://loveallbeings.org/blog/earth-balance-is-not-vegan/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>ecochris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another beautiful post Jenna, which I think integrates the narrow dietary (ingredients based) sense of what is vegan with its broader sense of anti-oppression.

And apart from the fact of a product being unethical or not vegan in terms of its impact on the ecosystem, other species and other people,  the post also led my thinking to the basic question of what after all  is food for the human species.

In the wild, animals have, as we know, a limited food inventory: they eat a few dozen different foods throughout the different seasons of the year.

It is as if the food in the ecosystem is the whole pie and every creature has been allocated a small share of it.

But while this is instinctively followed by animals in the wild, man has exceeded his own little share of the pie and considers almost everything on the planet as food.  

In the era of the corporate control of food, people have been conditioned away from the natural standard of the specific food inventory for each species to the idea that the myriads of the food industry products (vegan or not) are food.

This in turn means that man is now eating the whole pie, thus disrupting the natural order and stealing the food and the habitat of the other species.

Perhaps a priority for the vegan movement would be to help clarify in the collective consciousness what is food for man. This won’t be an arbitrary view but it will be based on sound science: the digestive anatomy of man (frugivore) and the natural standard of the food inventory. Here the expertise of the raw vegan movement might be helpful.

I think this is a crucial matter that can hopefully demolish the speciesist conditioning of what people have learned to consider as food and advance widely the issue of anti-oppression as well as give us again control over our food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another beautiful post Jenna, which I think integrates the narrow dietary (ingredients based) sense of what is vegan with its broader sense of anti-oppression.</p>
<p>And apart from the fact of a product being unethical or not vegan in terms of its impact on the ecosystem, other species and other people,  the post also led my thinking to the basic question of what after all  is food for the human species.</p>
<p>In the wild, animals have, as we know, a limited food inventory: they eat a few dozen different foods throughout the different seasons of the year.</p>
<p>It is as if the food in the ecosystem is the whole pie and every creature has been allocated a small share of it.</p>
<p>But while this is instinctively followed by animals in the wild, man has exceeded his own little share of the pie and considers almost everything on the planet as food.  </p>
<p>In the era of the corporate control of food, people have been conditioned away from the natural standard of the specific food inventory for each species to the idea that the myriads of the food industry products (vegan or not) are food.</p>
<p>This in turn means that man is now eating the whole pie, thus disrupting the natural order and stealing the food and the habitat of the other species.</p>
<p>Perhaps a priority for the vegan movement would be to help clarify in the collective consciousness what is food for man. This won’t be an arbitrary view but it will be based on sound science: the digestive anatomy of man (frugivore) and the natural standard of the food inventory. Here the expertise of the raw vegan movement might be helpful.</p>
<p>I think this is a crucial matter that can hopefully demolish the speciesist conditioning of what people have learned to consider as food and advance widely the issue of anti-oppression as well as give us again control over our food.</p>
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		<title>By: elainevigneault</title>
		<link>http://loveallbeings.org/blog/earth-balance-is-not-vegan/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>elainevigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard about the palm oil situation often, but I&#039;m not compelled to avoid palm oil in the same way that I&#039;m compelled to avoid beef or cheese.

It&#039;s important to distinguish between a boycott against non sustainable, non fair trade, non organic palm oil versus something that is not a boycott: veganism. 

Boycotts are a method of protest. Boycotts are temporary. Boycotts are about avoiding particular brands or particular products in order to encourage companies to change their ways.

Veganism is about avoiding animal products. Period.

If the standard for why vegans should avoid certain products is simply the harm they cause without any consideration given to intervening causes, indirection, intent, practicality, and long-term solutions, then virtually all products are not vegan. It wouldn&#039;t stop at palm oil, coffee, sugar, chocolate (and other food items that are unnecessary and often not organic or fair trade). The boycott would go on and on and on. 

But as vegans, we ought to consider what products we avoid because they are directly and utterly harmful versus what products are harmful only in some circumstances. 

Boycott palm oil that is not sustainable or boycott all palm oil simply because it&#039;s easier. But don&#039;t say that palm oil isn&#039;t vegan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard about the palm oil situation often, but I&#8217;m not compelled to avoid palm oil in the same way that I&#8217;m compelled to avoid beef or cheese.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to distinguish between a boycott against non sustainable, non fair trade, non organic palm oil versus something that is not a boycott: veganism. </p>
<p>Boycotts are a method of protest. Boycotts are temporary. Boycotts are about avoiding particular brands or particular products in order to encourage companies to change their ways.</p>
<p>Veganism is about avoiding animal products. Period.</p>
<p>If the standard for why vegans should avoid certain products is simply the harm they cause without any consideration given to intervening causes, indirection, intent, practicality, and long-term solutions, then virtually all products are not vegan. It wouldn&#8217;t stop at palm oil, coffee, sugar, chocolate (and other food items that are unnecessary and often not organic or fair trade). The boycott would go on and on and on. </p>
<p>But as vegans, we ought to consider what products we avoid because they are directly and utterly harmful versus what products are harmful only in some circumstances. </p>
<p>Boycott palm oil that is not sustainable or boycott all palm oil simply because it&#8217;s easier. But don&#8217;t say that palm oil isn&#8217;t vegan.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://loveallbeings.org/blog/earth-balance-is-not-vegan/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jenna; I hadn&#039;t heard anything about palm oil, although a few days ago I was recalling something I&#039;ve read about the effect of coltan mining (used in cell phones) on primates. 

Avoiding these products/practices will be more doable for some people than others, but I think it helps to be aware.  Even if someone isn&#039;t able or willing to completely stop using palm oil -- or animal products, or sweatshop-made materials -- they can keep it in mind, maybe mention it to others and make their position known somehow. (There are people I know who are vocal against sweatshop labor even though they don&#039;t [or haven&#039;t yet] completely boycott it.  As vegans, we immediately think of a complete boycott, but there may be other ways to make one&#039;s position known and still effect change.)  In any case, denial never helps; thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jenna; I hadn&#8217;t heard anything about palm oil, although a few days ago I was recalling something I&#8217;ve read about the effect of coltan mining (used in cell phones) on primates. </p>
<p>Avoiding these products/practices will be more doable for some people than others, but I think it helps to be aware.  Even if someone isn&#8217;t able or willing to completely stop using palm oil &#8212; or animal products, or sweatshop-made materials &#8212; they can keep it in mind, maybe mention it to others and make their position known somehow. (There are people I know who are vocal against sweatshop labor even though they don&#8217;t [or haven't yet] completely boycott it.  As vegans, we immediately think of a complete boycott, but there may be other ways to make one&#8217;s position known and still effect change.)  In any case, denial never helps; thank you.</p>
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