Comments on: The honey issue & focusing on the most marginalized groups http://loveallbeings.org/blog/the-honey-issue-focusing-on-the-most-marginalized-groups/ Living Opposed to Violence and Exploitation Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:58:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Brandon Becker http://loveallbeings.org/blog/the-honey-issue-focusing-on-the-most-marginalized-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-331 Brandon Becker Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:45:52 +0000 http://loveallbeings.org/?p=408#comment-331 As you said: "That is, while it explains veganism to the public, it insists on solidarity with some of the most marginalized nonhuman animals—insects. Moreover, by arguing for the liberation of that most marginalized group, I think it effectively argues for the liberation of /all groups/." I agree wholeheartedly with this. Joan Dunayer's work taught me that insects and other invertebrates deserve equal consideration and respect. While many humans may have more trouble empathizing with their plight (due to entrenched speciesist ideology), we ought to continue to make the case for their liberation from oppression. Radical egalitarianism lights the path to freedom for all sentient beings. As you said:
“That is, while it explains veganism to the public, it insists on solidarity with some of the most marginalized nonhuman animals—insects. Moreover, by arguing for the liberation of that most marginalized group, I think it effectively argues for the liberation of /all groups/.”

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Joan Dunayer’s work taught me that insects and other invertebrates deserve equal consideration and respect. While many humans may have more trouble empathizing with their plight (due to entrenched speciesist ideology), we ought to continue to make the case for their liberation from oppression. Radical egalitarianism lights the path to freedom for all sentient beings.

]]> By: harry http://loveallbeings.org/blog/the-honey-issue-focusing-on-the-most-marginalized-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-330 harry Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:19:14 +0000 http://loveallbeings.org/?p=408#comment-330 Actually the expression: seeking to avoid "exploitation of all living beings" would include fish,birds, and insects. It is a more inclusive phrase instead of the term animals. Your article as well as animalfreedom's approach of using a particular instance of exploitation as a springboard for more elaborate discussion is excellent. Everyone is free to pick their own starting point and discover the other strands of interconnected fibers as they slowly progress in following the Vegan ideal. Some might not give a rip about chickens and cows, but are greatly concerned with the cruelty shown to live fishbait. Actually the expression: seeking to avoid “exploitation of all living beings” would include fish,birds, and insects. It is a more inclusive phrase instead of the term animals. Your article as well as animalfreedom’s approach of using a particular instance of exploitation as a springboard for more elaborate discussion is excellent. Everyone is free to pick their own starting point and discover the other strands of interconnected fibers as they slowly progress in following the Vegan ideal. Some might not give a rip about chickens and cows, but are greatly concerned with the cruelty shown to live fishbait.

]]> By: animalfreedom http://loveallbeings.org/blog/the-honey-issue-focusing-on-the-most-marginalized-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-329 animalfreedom Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:16:23 +0000 http://loveallbeings.org/?p=408#comment-329 Steve, you really hit the nail on the head. It was actually learning that I was so high up in the Google ratings for people just searching for "honey" that made me realize that I had an opportunity on my hands. People who set out with no intention to learn about veganism end up on the site & they read it. Rarely do negative commenters leave it at just the bees – they're forced to defend the whole kit and kaboodle. So I want to answer all of those basic objections to veganism that the commenters raise and revise the site to make it as accessible to a general audience as possible. The more general stuff I'll put on the AnimalFreedom site and link to it. The honey site is an in, a place to start a dialogue. Steve, you really hit the nail on the head. It was actually learning that I was so high up in the Google ratings for people just searching for “honey” that made me realize that I had an opportunity on my hands.

People who set out with no intention to learn about veganism end up on the site & they read it. Rarely do negative commenters leave it at just the bees – they’re forced to defend the whole kit and kaboodle.

So I want to answer all of those basic objections to veganism that the commenters raise and revise the site to make it as accessible to a general audience as possible. The more general stuff I’ll put on the AnimalFreedom site and link to it. The honey site is an in, a place to start a dialogue.

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